From mike Thu Mar 5 00:25:16 +0000 2009 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18863.7148.216683.800481@miketaylor.org.uk> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 00:25:16 +0000 From: Mike Taylor To: Mathew Wedel Cc: Darren Naish Bcc: mike Subject: Re: Holland 1906 In-Reply-To: References: <18861.51925.546148.514759@localhost.localdomain> X-Mailer: VM 8.0.9 under Emacs 22.2.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu) [...] Oh, this reminds me -- I had been meaning to use this for an SV-POW!, but you should probably have it for your fusion paper: http://www.miketaylor.org.uk/tmp/secret/cetiosaurus-caudal-with-fused-chevrons/ It's BMNH R something, possibly 2144. I recognised it from Mantell (1850: pl. XXIII: figs. 11a-b), the Pelorosaurus paper, where it is tentatively referred to Pelorosaurus (though it could be anything), and briefly described on pp. 383-384. I assume you have the PDF. But the label says it was also figured by Mantell (1841), for which my PDF lacks plates (Arrrgh!). His description in that paper is negligible. Finally, it seems it was figured in 1859, a reference I assume to Owen's big fossil-reptiles monograph -- the label is hard to read. It says the vert is in pl. IX fig. 7, but in fact it's in pl. V figs. 3-4. His illustrations look suspiciously like simple mirror-images of Mantell's, and, embarrassingly, seem to be correct (i.e. Mantell's were flipped). In Owen, it is captioned as belonging to Streptospondylus for some reason, but the most you can really call it is Sauropoda indet. (Sorry I didn't get more or better photos, including one of the catalogue card: I saw this at the very last moment as I was about to leave the musuem.) What's that all about, then?